Fædrelandsvennen and Manager reviewing Tuesday a “report” the deputy mayor of Kristiansand, Jorgen Kristiansen (KrF), authored by his visit to Romania this summer.
Among Kristiansens records after the journey states that “the [ visitors beggars] which is in Kristiansand is not really poor, “and” the real poor in Carbunesti / Gorj county is not in Norway. “
There are also pictures of some houses that seem to be in good condition, as Kristiansen “informer” claims will be built with funds from begging in Kristiansand.
the deputy mayor of Kristiansand Jorgen Kristiansen (Krf). Photo: Kristiansand municipality.
Kristiansen visited Romania and city Carbunesti 2-6. June for a seminar organized by the Missionary Association organization “From Tigger Mug – Norway”.
– It’s a journey description, so there is not a note that is covered by FOIA, or a case document, says deputy mayor to ABC News.
ABC News also have received Kristiansens considerations of journey, a Word document of five pages.
Quote of note: “most [visitors beggars, journ. note.] which is in Kristiansand is not really poor. Apart from some poor Romanians who are hired by Roma people “
– We saw a lot of poverty down there. In Carbunesti many people live below the poverty line. Sources down there say that some of the beggars here in Kristiansand not as poor as they appear. But I can not prove it beyond referring to the sources I have in Romania, says Kristiansen.
– What sources are there?
– I would do not go so much into these sources. There are very few sources, but sources I reckon that, says deputy mayor.
Quote of note: “It was said from credible sources that Roma in Kristiansand earns around 2000.- pr. day to beg. “
– You can get other sources of income in addition to begging, which grind quests and the like, elaborates Kristiansen.
– I would like to see Fædrelandsvennen had chosen a different angle. My print says something about the state of Kristiansand, but we also want to support the work of From Tigger Mug.
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Research in Fafo Anne Britt Djuve. Photo: Fafo.
– Difficult to deal with document
Research Director at Fafo Foundation, Anne Britt Djuve, was in 2015 among the main authors of the report “When poverty meets affluences” the Romanian beggars in the Scandinavian capitals. The researchers conducted in-depth interviews and surveys of 1,269 “street workers from Romania on the streets in the Scandinavian capitals.” Djuve wonders why varaordførerens considerations.
– It’s hard to relate to this document. As far as I understand this builds largely on what a Romanian contact has told. It is not necessarily a sure way to obtain information on. How do such this person how much it is normal to earn per day for beggars in Kristiansand ?, writes Djuve in an email to ABC News.
She believes the estimate of 2,000 kroner earnings per day seems very high compared with figures the researchers found in their investigations
– at least it’s far more than it is customary to serve on panhandling in Oslo. But it may well be that one beggar once served 2,000 kroner a day, she writes.
– It is certainly possible to find examples of someone who has been begging in Norway living in fairly ok House. I’ve even been inside one. But it is not the ordinary that beggars live like that.
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– Much local racism
Djuve warns against building on single sources locally, and describes, among other prevalent Romanian racism toward the Roma as a possible source of error.
in conjunction with Fafo report did Djuve fieldwork several places in Gorj, where Carbunesti located, as well as in the city itself.
Nobody of the houses I was in so especially recently built out. It does not mean that it is not can are two newly built houses that are financed with money from begging. Repair and construction of houses is one of the objectives as reported in our study as well, but many earn so little that all the money goes to food, clothing, school expenses for children, and health expenditure, writes Djuve.
– The allegation that the poorest are not going to Norway for begging is not necessarily correct. We have seen instances of very poor and marginalized populations have traveled, having borrowed money for the journey. Within migration research this particular – it tends not to be the poorest traveling. But those who fail as beggars and unable to repay the loans return even poorer than when they left.
Djuve also recalls that it is not only the Roma who live on the streets in Norway.
– Also poor ethnic Romanians live in much the same way.
– the visiting have happily pessimistic assessments of future opportunities in Romania. They tell about the lack of job opportunities, discrimination and low expectations for a “very corrupt politicians.” It takes a considerable change in Romanian politics and economy. In addition, the Roma developed defense mechanisms against majoritetssamfunnnet which does not exactly make it easier to become financially integrated in a modern society. I am thinking in particular of early marriage and early school ends, writes researcher concludes.
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– Human Rights to ask for help
Deputy Mayor Kristiansen is also concerned with what they can do to create a better situation and more opportunities for visitors beggars. He says with pride on measures they have in place in Kristiansand, which is not a given everywhere in Norway:
– I do not want begging ban, and believe it is a human right to ask others for help. In Kristiansand we have facilitated including sanitary supply, waste scheme and nødovernatting winter. This should be continued, but I also have a desire to help locally in Romania, which is our area in Europe, says the Christian Democratic politician to ABC News.
– It’s very much need in Romania, which is our surrounding area in Europa.- I think it’s possible to do something about education, employment opportunity and a better correction of the Norwegian EEA funds to the country. We also depend on to support NGOs that can help.
– Visitors beggars, mainly from Romania, has been in Kristiansand ten years’ time. There have been many discussions and debates about this locally. We have undoubtedly greater local understanding of the whole theme of the years.
The deputy mayor said that he on two occasions invited the beggars in Kristiansand for dinner at the Salvation Army, and had discussions with them individually.
– Generally, it appears that the attitude among locals in Kristiansand is reasonably good, and it may seem like dialogue work has helped. The last few years there has been little noise, at least in the media, and the police have not seen any significant crime linked to the group in the past couple of years, says Kristiansen.
Kristiansen participating this week in Fafo debate on Roma under Arendalsuka and shall have meetings on the subject with EEA and EU minister Elisabeth Vik Aspaker (H).
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